The great papal debate

I’m pleased to be able to announce that The Kurgan and Jay Dyer will be debating, among other things, in the near future. Jay threw down the gauntlet and The Kurgan accepted on the Darkstream tonight. More to come after we set things up tomorrow. Should be very interesting!

Of course, some of Jay’s gamma fans can’t control themselves. This comment from a recent Jay Dyer tweet was amusing.

Vox banned me in the chat for asking if he would debate jay personally, Vox always runs away when challenged by someone more educated than him.

Yeah, so, about that. Anyhow, I would no more debate anyone about the intricacies of Roman Catholic Church law and doctrine than I would debate them about the ritually correct way to offer sacrifices to Tezcatlipoca and Xipe Totec. I simply don’t possess the relevant information to even begin discussing the subject.

It’s also a bit remarkable to see how many of these semi-illiterate midwits believe that I am going to watch a freaking video or listen to a talk. If someone can’t bother to write a book on the subject, or at least write out their complete argument in full, I’m not going to bother to spend any time analyzing it. There is no need, because their speech, whatever it might happen to be, is fundamentally ephemeral.

UPDATE: The debate will go however it goes, of course, but these tweets don’t appear to bode well.

Vox Day says if you don’t write a book on the topic in question, you’re not worth listening to – as he declares me a loser of a debate he didn’t listen to. LOL  Is this guy for real?

Vox day declined a debate but passed on the challenge to the nobody rip-off Vox day, the kurgan. Lol.

Kurgan – 0 public debates
-to directly debating live for 7-10k people on the Ralph retort LoL

While I have no dog in this particular hunt, I have to admit that I don’t have a lot of confidence in anyone who believes “LOL” is a form of punctuation.

Mailvox: sympathy for the dark lord

As his channel becomes more popular, the Kurgan begins to grasp the essence of gammatude:

As my channel slowly grows I am getting a renewed empathy for the level of gamma as well as just general idiocy you deal with, including from some Ilk.

I mean… I’m not exactly what you’d call a very hopeful and optimistic character when it comes to the expectations of rationality from other humans but it’s truly a wonder to behold to what lengths people will avoid the plain facts in front of them in order to keep believing some absurd concept or outright lie they became invested in.

I mean… it’s enough to make me wonder if a lot of humans really aren’t monkeys. Darwin wasn’t right, but he may have stumbled upon a Tolkien-like veracity… possibly Satan makes them orcishly stupid, reminiscent of bonobos on crack.

You have my sympathy given the few orders of magnitude more of volume you deal with.

One cannot understand the core concept of gamma without grasping that the gamma male’s absolute priority is maintaining the integrity of his delusion bubble. Now, every man is capable of being similarly stubborn and stupid about any idea to which he is emotionally attached, but what separates the gamma pattern of behavior from those of other male behaviors is the way that the gamma applies this instinctive response to everything, especially anything that has the potential to threaten his precious self-esteem.

And as for the reference to gammas among the Dread Ilk, keep in mind that being more or less ideologically correct is no defense against a pattern of behavior instilled over the course of one’s formative years. I like to think that the gammas among us have at least a fighting chance to conquer their instincts, given their information on the subject, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are facing a daily battle against themselves that the rest of us will never fully understand or appreciate.

Speaking of The Kurgan’s channel, his methodical destruction of Jay Dyer’s criticism of the Roman Catholic Church will likely be more than a little familiar to anyone who has read one of my systematic critiques. Being neither Catholic nor Orthodox, I have no dog in this hunt, but it is always a pleasure to read through a dialectical argument with this level of attention to detail.

Stasi for hire

It’s informative to see how many of the tactics and techniques of the former Communist states have been adopted in Israel and the United States since the fall of the Soviet Union:

Over the course of several months, ‘Diana’ inveigled her way into the Scream star’s life. Whether McGowan was in California or New York, Diana always seemed to be conveniently nearby.

They met for long walks, drinks and girls’ nights out. McGowan even told her ‘there was no one else in the world she could trust’.

But it was all a con. Just like Anna, Diana was merely a cover dreamed up by Stella, a spy working for the infamous Mossad-linked Israeli intelligence company Black Cube.

Weinstein had hired the firm in the months before his career and reputation were ruined by a welter of sexual allegations.

An extraordinary contract, dated July 11, 2017, between the mogul’s lawyers and the British arm of the Israeli firm show that Weinstein had tasked Black Cube with two primary objectives: to ‘provide intelligence which will help the Client’s efforts to completely stop the publication of a new, negative article in a leading NY newspaper’, and to ‘obtain additional content of a book which is currently being written and which includes harmful negative information on and about the Client’.

To achieve this, Black Cube promised a dedicated team. As part of the operation, codenamed Parachute, the organisation introduced Stella to Weinstein.

Her main objective was to befriend McGowan, obtain a draft of her memoir – and discredit it. And she was tasked with finding out about and blocking other allegations about Weinstein – just like the stories Ben Wallace was working on.

It may also be informative to contemplate the way in which the same people who claim Judeo-Christianity is not only real, but the foundation of Western civilization, also claim that Judeo-Bolshevism was just a figment of the early-20th-century German imagination.

Evil values

I stumbled across this quote just in time to add it to the paperback edition of CORPORATE CANCER.

Remember, you can’t spell DEVIL without Diversity and Inclusivity. And you can’t spell EVIL without Equality and Inclusivity.


This guy gets it. The God-Emperor is beyond next level:

China just announced they would allow rice imports from the U.S. for the first time in their history.

Read that again.

Trump just sold rice to CHINA.

What a f*cking legend.

Great stuff. I can’t wait until he gets around to Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

UPDATE: Fifty-three percent of Republicans said Trump was a better president than Lincoln, while 47 percent chose the Civil War-era leader.

The majority is not wrong. Trump is a MUCH better president than Lincoln.

YouTube to ban Big Bear?

It will be interesting to see if YouTube follows through on what are rumored to be plans to ban everyone associated with Proud Boys and Infowars:

I have an insider at YouTube and he’s telling me all the scoop on the imminent conservative purge. Stephen Crowder’s on the list, Paul Joseph Watson’s on the list, Owen Benjamin is on the list, anyone remotely associated with Proud Boys or Infowars is on the list.

Apparently this is supposed to happen on December 10th. We’ll see. If it’s true, then we can safely conclude that no one at YouTube has read Corporate Cancer yet. I’m skeptical myself, because that’s the date the new terms of use come into effect and there is no particular reason YouTube needs them in order to deplatform anyone.

But regardless, this would be a good time to subscribe to Unauthorized.

You can’t fix diversity

Yet another failure of multiculturalism in London leads to three more deaths:

The attacker shot dead on London Bridge was known to police and had connections to terror groups.

The man, who was wearing a fake suicide vest, killed two people and injured three in the attack. The attacker was a convicted terrorist with previous links to al-Muhajiroun, the group led by Anjem Choudry and dubbed Britain’s “most prolific and dangerous extremist group”, The Independent understands.

The assailant had been recently released from prison and was being monitored by police. ​The Times reported the attacker was attending a Cambridge University conference on prisoner rehabilitation being held at Fishmongers’ Hall and had threatened to blow up the building.

There is no reason for people of different genetics, religions, and cultures to live together in a single society or state. None whatsoever. The very concept of “a multicultural society” is intrinsically self-contradictory to the point of being oxymoronic.

The whole point of the nation-state is to permit the different nations to live in peace according to their own distinct and particular preferences. That was the idea behind the several and sovereign American States being “laboratories of democracy”. And to the contrary, all that “multiculturalism” and “open borders” and “mass immigration” guarantees is a never-ending struggle of all against all, as each different tribe, religion, and culture seeks to impose its preferences on all the others.

Statistics and the gamma

As bad as the comments here can be, they can never hope to devolve to the level of gamma lunacy one encounters on YouTube. One DM offers us the usual Gamma Wall of Text in the customary attempt to demonstrate that he is a Smart Boy:

I was really interested in this topic and the first 10 minutes of the stream – preparing for our reaction to stress is extremely important. However, you spent the rest of the stream dealing with one comment from the chat and about that person’s banning. You didn’t end up getting into the topic. I was/am genuinely interested in your thoughts on the matter.

Messaging/The Chat is a terrible form of communication – you can’t tell the person’s tone of voice and there is a massive space for misinterpretation. I do agree that banning is not a sign of weakness nor strength. I do agree that you do need to be banning people. However, I completely disagree that you know that your level of banning is “absolutely worth the risk”. You do not know that for certain. People can have an off day, be in a bad mood, forget for a moment the context of the chat, write something in a way that doesn’t exactly reflect their thoughts, they could be responding to another comment in the chat and not you, and sometimes they might have a point that is true but you just don’t want to hear it. Conversely, you could be having an off day, an off week, misinterpret a comment, or who knows whatever else.

More importantly, if there were 10 other Vox Day’s out there in the world (yes there are other very intelligent people in the world) and they found themselves in your chat I would be willing to bet that you would have likely banned some or all of them over time. If that’s true then how would that benefit your community? My hypothesis is – your bannings gets rid of a portion of the very top and very bottom IQ/Value members of the chat/community. Yes you get rid of the bottom feeders but Im quite confident that you are also getting rid of a good portion of your highest value members. Now, before you call me a gamma I want you to know that the reason I am saying this is not because I’ve been banned, or Im worried about being banned, or that Im trying to take a shot at you. The reason I say it is because I genuinely want you to do well and thrive, just as I want Owen to do well and thrive.

Conversely, what would the other 10 Vox Day’s think (assuming you hadn’t banned them) if they are taking a piece of their evening to listen to your channel only to hear you say to them “you are not my equal, you are nobody, you are totally irrelevant, there are tens of thousands of you, there is one of me, Im the only one who truly matters here”. How many times would you listen to someone saying that to you?

I get that you are speaking to a broad audience that you can’t see and hardly know so that must be very difficult to navigate. I also get that it is very easy for me to come in and run my mouth at you. I am certain that I couldn’t do anywhere near as good a job as you and Owen do and I appreciate what both of you are doing. My suggestion is to re-listen to this episode and imagine the high IQ/ high value viewers point of view – one who is busy doing their own projects and want to stop in and hear your thoughts about preparing for our reactions to stress – hoping to learn something or hear another point of view from someone they respect.

My response: The other 10 Vox Days would never pay any attention to these videos. I don’t watch videos. Your entire argument is based on a false foundation. 

As you would expect, this highly informed and relevant observation immediately caused him to understand and admit that he was wrong. I jest, of course. It did nothing of the sort.

When I made my comment I thought you might use this out but I assumed you wouldn’t take that backdoor exit. I meant someone of similar intellect level. You can’t possibly be implying that not a single person in your community is at your level. If you don’t want high level people in your community then yes I take it back, you might be banning appropriately. Also, that was only one part of my argument – take away 10 Vox Days and my point still stands.

Also, of the 10 other manifestations of Vox Day Im sure some of them would watch videos.

My second response: First, you’re absolutely wrong. Zero manifestations of Vox Day would watch videos. Second, from the statistical perspective, given that there are less than one thousand people watching live, precisely none of them are at my IQ level. 

I invite you to join me in anticipating the next Wall of Text which will call into question everything from my integrity to statistics to the legitimacy of the Stanford-Binet test.

UPDATE: The anticipated Wall of Text:

First, you definitely watch videos sometimes and so would many if not all manifestations of you – everyone knows this is a silly claim. In order to have any sense of the social/political climate you need to be watching some videos sometimes – there is no way around that. Second, you said we were one of tens of thousands in the stream, what happened to that figure? Third, based statistics claiming there are “precisely zero” people at your level is dead wrong. Maybe there are very few at your level, maybe it’s unlikely there are any – but “precisely zero” is statistically repugnant – unless you believe you are literally the smartest person alive – in which case we need to have another conversation.

You should not be talking down to your audience. This is a major mistake. For example: the reason Norm MacDonald is so beloved and respected is because not only is he brilliant but he never assumes his audience is dumber than he is. He has said this in several interviews. Even though he is very often the smartest person in the room he never talks to his audience as though he is smarter than they are. There isn’t a comic on the planet who doesn’t universally respect Norm’s talent. Yes he is brilliant but there are other brilliant comics. Norm is the top dog because he is the one who never ever talks down to his audience – and because of this every other brilliant person out there listening to Norm is attracted to this trait. The top end minds do not like being talked down to – for obvious reasons but also because they also have bigger egos just the same.

The Vox Day algorithm has a flaw and it is repelling high IQ individuals. Deal with this or lose high IQ members of your community. Hate me, insult me, ignore me, this is constructive criticism and nothing else. As A Christian I want to see good Christian leaders thrive, grow, and have their communities increase in quantity AND quality.

If there really are no people at the same IQ level (or close) as yourself among the tens of thousands, perhaps it’s because you have driven them away.

Followed in rapid succession by a second after I utilized this exhibit as an example of typical gamma behavior in last night’s Darkstream.

If I respond in detail then Im a doing a wall of text. Dig my heels in and Im an SJW doubling down. And it seems like no matter what I say Im a low IQ gamma. Here goes. I never said I am right and you are wrong. I might be completely wrong here. I was simply stating my case and in doing so pointed out one detail that I knew you were wrong about – the math. You are definitely wrong about the math. It’s you who didn’t do your homework. You don’t understand random distributions. Just because 1 in 850 is at your IQ level, and you are there, that doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody in the chat is higher than you. It means that there is an average of 1 in 850 each time. Some times 0 , some times 1, some times 2, some times even 3. If you had any mathematical inclination you would never use the term “precisely zero” when describing the number of people in the chat at your IQ level. Precisely zero means precisely zero. The number of people in the chat and in the community on a given day is NOT precisely zero. Do YOUR homework. I was making a YT comment and I made sure to get it right. You did a public stream (which to me is a wall of text to the N) about my comment and you didn’t bother to do the work. Also, as you conveniently avoided mentioning, I was doing these numbers based on your claim that the community was “tens of thousand” large – meaning your community likely has many people with a higher IQ than you – some of which show up to the chat randomly (assuming you haven’t banned them already of course).

More importantly, the IQ thing isn’t even the main point I was making. I was saying that being super trigger happy with bannings was possibly cutting out both the gammas and potentially some of the top IQ folk. It’s just a theory I had. I wasn’t telling you not to ban gammas.

You have now wasted 2 streams reacting to comments from people you believe are gammas while simultaneously claiming that you aren’t bothered by the comments. If you weren’t bothered by my comments then why do a stream about them the very next day? You say you caught me in a trap? You’ve been trapped by what you believe are gammas 2 days in a row!

If you want me to be a low IQ wall of text gamma and explain in further detail why I am right about the math in an email I’d be happy to do so.

Standing up for yourself isn’t gamma. Pushing back isn’t low IQ.

Holy crap dude. I’m on your side. I like you. I genuinely respect you and Owen greatly. My intention wasn’t to get into an argument. Like, can nobody ever push back about anything without being attacked and called a low IQ gamma? “Gamma” is turning into the new “Anti-semitism” – you can’t just use it every time someone calls you out or makes a point you don’t like.

This is why there is no need to pay any attention to anything Gammas say, much less respond to it. Just let them do their thing once they’ve been triggered. There is no more effective way to demonstrate how hopelessly wrong they are than their own desperate flopping around as they repeatedly double down on their initial errors.

The mask comes off

The imperial state not only wants you fat, sickly, and disarmed, but tactically ignorant as well. At this rate, it won’t be long before they ban wargames, of both board and computer varieties:

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000.

Still think they’re not afraid of you? Notice that sections 2 and 3 are based on “intent”, as if they can possibly know why one individual is training, drilling, or parading with another individual. Wolves always prefer sheep to sheepdogs.