Over the target, it seems

Milo – MILO, of all people – is receiving pushback from the followers of St. Jordan the Never-Sleeping because he wrote the Foreword to Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker:

Gage Martinez
It seems like milo just doesn’t like that jordan took his place when milo stopped doing well reasoned debates and started focusing instead on being “outrageous”.

Jason Murray
i have followed you for about 2 years now. I have loved watching you tell people to screw off and being yourself. Today i will be unfollowing you. I may check on you from time to time. Reason. From the description of this book, it nothing but a hit piece on a good and honest, and yes imperfect man. I will read your forward and possibly this book. Though i doubt I’ll get to the book.

Craig Mac Corkle
You usually do have an interesting point of view, and I’m not sure that I’m understanding this one. But I’ll take a look at it. It’s just doesn’t make any sense to me but best of luck with it. Dont know Vox. But i like JBP, and the IDW. These people have amazing credentials, but aren’t infallible, or afraid of criticism. I don’t know, seems like a strange move.

William Cuddling
No one’s dismissing you out of hand. Fact is, judging from the statements you’ve made publicly about Peterson, your point of view just isn’t that interesting, so why would anyone wanna buy a book, the synopsis of which reads like an introduction to just another in a lone line of bullshit hit-pieces, just so we have the honor of reading your foreword? Personally couldn’t care less if you go after Peterson. Just sick of your whining.

Matt Malone
Theres plenty to criticize about Peterson, but Milo just seems peeved when anyone get more attention than him. Ben Shapiro has also leapfrogged Milo and rightfully so, much more thoughtful commentator… The right criticizes the left for their purity spirals where they will turn on anyone who deviates from their orthodoxy, but Milo is pretty similar. The left seems self righteous when they do it but Milo just seems petty. Overall he is deleterious to any positions he holds, and its no wonder noone wants to associate with him.

Jason Murray Alaina Toledo
I see a man that isnt afraid to admit that he doesn’t know all the answers and will concede that he is wrong when faced with evidence of such. There is nothing wrong with JBP and he doesn’t deserve to be attacked as a lair or hypocrite, when all that he is doing is trying to do is help us all to see that the world has rules, and that we should try to live by them, for the well being of the individual and though the individual, society as a whole. You should really listen to everything he has to say before drawing conclusions.

John Tangney
Vox day has always seemed like a total Muppet to me, and his criticisms of Peterson based in jealousy rather than anything substantive.

Justin Grajek
Jealous of his popularity Milo? His views are nuanced and thoughtful instead of emotion driven. I don’t think you can say the same.

Nalinne Jones
Lame. Unfollowing.

Halldór Magnússon
Milo, you are putting it up like one has to choose between you and Peterson. I am sorry but it’s an unfair competition, you lose big time which is so not necessary, you can be on the same team. If you want fewer followers then continue on this road.

Sean Grabill
So, you get neutered and you have to neuter someone else to get your revenge? You used to have important things to say and then you started crawling into the gutter with the left. It seems like you lost yourself down there and the limelight became more important than the things that used to matter. It wasn’t so long ago you were the one we were all supposed to hate, but you’ve forgotten all too soon what that was like, or maybe that’s what made you so bitter. If this is the end of your movie, cry into a $100 bill, and ride off into the sunset, have some grace. You were better than associating yourself with this garbage. Is that still in you or have they just taken the piss right out of you?

It’s funny, but all these comments sound almost identical to the comments left in response to one of my Jordanetics videos on the Darkstream. It’s really remarkable how so many people are so bitter, jealous, and envious that they are inspired to criticize St. Jordan of the Cider.


Jordan Peterson is believed by many to be the greatest thinker that humanity has ever known. He is Father Figure, Philosopher-King, and Prophet to the millions of young men who are his most fervent fans. He is the central figure of the Intellectual Dark Web, an academic superstar, and an unparalleled media phenomenon who has shattered all conceptions of what it means to be modern celebrity in the Internet Age.

He has, by his own admission, thought thoughts that no one has ever thought before. He has dreamed dreams that no one has ever dared to dream before.

But Jordan Peterson is also a narcissist, a charlatan, and an intellectual con man who doesn’t even bother to learn much about the subjects upon which he lectures. He is a defender of free speech who silences other speakers, a fearless free-thinker who runs away from debate, difficult questions, and controversial issues, a philosopher who rejects the conventional definition of truth, and a learned professor who has failed to read most of the great classics of the Western canon. He is, in short, a shameless and unrepentant fraud.

But is Jordan Peterson more than a mere fraud? Is he something more sinister, more unbalanced, and even more dangerous? In JORDANETICS: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker, political philosopher Vox Day delves deeply into the core philosophy that Jordan Peterson advocates in both his written works and his video lectures. In doing so, Day methodically builds a shocking case that will convince even the most skeptical Jordan Peterson supporter to reconsider both the man and his teachings.

Featuring a Foreword by Milo Yiannopoulos, the ebook edition of JORDANETICS will be released by Castalia House on November 19, 2018. A paperback edition will be published before Christmas.

Jordanetics causes incel

What a wonderful influence for young men! This account by a Jordan Peterson fan is almost too funny for words. Suffice it to say that it provides evidential support for my assertion that listening to Jordan Peterson is not going to improve your life.

I found out about Jordan Peterson about a year ago and since then I became a huge fan. I was never a big reader, but I got all of his books. (They are the only books on my bookshelf and also a book about John F. Kennedy my aunt gave me but I never read. So I don’t have many books and its a small shelf.)

I am 19 years old now. I met my girlfriend when we were 17 in high school. When I was 18 I moved out and began to go to the local university. My girlfriend is the same age as I am and she started classes there too. When I moved out is around the time I started reading Dr. Peterson’s work and I took the battle against chaos to heart. Mostly because I was a very messy person before. So I kept my new room very clean (I have a roommate who helps) and I was finally able to decorate it the way that I wanted since I moved out. Mostly I kept it simple and tasteful but I also have a big poster of Dr. Peterson in my room.

When I began to see how important Dr. Peterson had become in my life I started trying to get my girlfriend interested. But she did not seem very interested. I thought he could help her a lot, because when we met and she lived at home she was a very messy and chaotic person also. We both were then. Since she moved out also and got a roommate it has gotten even worse for her. I would say her room is about fifty percent messier than it was. She is slouching a lot. She is also very disorganized with her classes and note taking (somehow she is still getting all As, I got all As too my first semester but I also got two Cs). I can’t even read or understand the notes she takes for her class. I tried to tell her to be more organized and less chaotic with it, that it would help her more, but I think it got annoying for her to hear it.

Anyway when we would hang out I would try to get her to listen to Dr. Peterson’s lectures but it always seemed like a chore or like she didn’t really want to. I found it really frustrating because he was so inspiring for me. Eventually I stopped putting them on because I would hear and see her sigh in an exaggerated way when I would put YouTube on with his lectures.

Not long ago it was coming up on the day that we met (our anniversary) and we had a nice dinner at a seafood place we both really like. A few days later I got us tickets to see Dr. Peterson speak. I had hoped that it would be better than the videos. She seemed excited to go and we had a nice night together.

The next day we didn’t talk, which is normal these days with school and stuff. I sent her a text message the day after and she didn’t respond which I thought was weird. Then I did it the day after and still no response. She didn’t write back to me for four days! Until I sent her a long message just asking for an explanation for why she ghosted me or at least let me know she is okay.

A few days later she finally sent me a long email. She said that she wanted some space and that she needed to think. That things were changing and that they weren’t the same as they were. She actually blamed Dr. Peterson for changing me! Which is true but I thought I changed for the better…. I talked to a mutual friend of ours and she told me some things really candidly. Our friend said that after seeing Jordan Peterson in person my girlfriend was really weirded out. Because I cried a little bit there and there were other men crying too. (I didn’t think this was fair, there is no shame in crying.) Also that she felt like following Dr. Peterson’s advice made me kind of less fun and more boring than how I was when we met at 17.

Jordan Peterson quite literally causes women to not want to have sex with men. Case closed.

Vox was right

Of all the words of screen and pen
The saddest are these:
“Vox was right again.”

A while back, I wrote a post defending Jordan Peterson against Vox Day’s criticisms. My claim was that while Jordan Peterson’s value is somewhat exaggerated by many of his followers, for whom his ideas seemed new and extraordinary, Vox Day’s claims seemed exaggerated. Vox argued that Peterson was an existential relativist, that he was controlled opposition, that his teachings are more harmful then helpful, and that he was simply insane. All of that seemed wrong, at least hyperbolic. To me, Peterson seemed like a modern Joseph Campbell, essentially a mythologist just teaching the moral stories of myths with the rhetorical skill of a showman. For a generation immersed in social-media and public-school propaganda, this seemed like a generally good thing, especially when coupled with his opposition to bill C-16.

To set the tone for this post, it is only now that I remember that his opposition to this bill was unsuccessful. The bill was passed on June 19, 2017. Not only was it unsuccessful, but Peterson had promised to go to jail if necessary, were the bill passed and accusations of violating said bill brought against him. At the time, it seemed rather admirable. But given the amount of fire he’s been under, it seems strange that his opponents have found no opportunity to challenge his conviction on the matter. Rather than being on hunger strike in some jail, he’s been traveling around the world on tour with his book.

I’m not saying Peterson should actively be hunting out a jail-term in order to be consistent, as that was not what he had promised. But the situation seems a bit incongruous, and most people don’t remember what it was that brought him to popularity in the first place. With the help of a little bit of recollection, however, I have come to believe that Vox Day was, in fact, right about Dr. Peterson.

That pair of comments on the original post haven’t aged well. In fairness to those who were snowed by the Canadian Conman, old Uncle Jordy is extremely dedicated to confusing and confabulating his audiences.

Remember, falsehoods have consequences. That’s what makes them false.

Mailvox: the fearless and the feckless

On the courage of Jordan Peterson:

In the spring of 2017, Jordan Peterson made some videos talking about how impressed he was with Milo. How Milo is the “unstoppable court jester.” How “bold” and “fearless” Milo is. He said this with passion, and I thought it was actually pretty interesting. But then fast forward a year and Jordan Peterson is sitting in Aspen Colorado with some phony journalist from the New York Times. She asserts out of the blue that Milo is a “racist.” What does Jordan Peterson do? He sits there and nods and acts like he agrees. Then he insists that he is not a “fan” of Milo’s and tries to pretend like he doesn’t know who Milo is. The whole thing was a lie. Meanwhile, his whole talk involved the importance of not telling little lies.

It’s really rather impressive how relentlessly hypocritical Jordan Peterson is. As I’ve observed previously, if you don’t like something he says, just wait five minutes and he’ll say something that completely contradicts it.

I have a new favorite quote from the wisdom of Jordan Peterson:

Falsehoods have consequences. That’s what makes them false.

Jordan Peterson is a feckless coward

First he offers a ridiculous, long-winded justification for his “Kavanaugh should step down” tweet:

I asked myself a question, after reading these posts: “Is there an alternative to confirming or not confirming Kavanaugh?” When a choice appears starkly binary, a third path appears impossible, by definition — but might possibly still be worth seeking. I tried to place myself in Kavanaugh’s position, while generating a potential answer (and think that I can do so with some justification, having been publicly identified as reprehensible by many people—prominent journalists, activists, and academics among them).

I thought, “He can’t withdraw, prior to the nomination, because his reputation has been savaged so badly that withdrawal would not only mean loss of the Supreme Court nomination, but demolition of his entire career and future life.” So the only way for Kavanaugh was forward, through the FBI investigation, on to the nomination hearing, and the hope that he would be… what? Cleared? Not cleared, because it is too late for that, even given the favorable or at least not damning FBI report. A large percentage of the American public does not believe that he is an appropriate choice for the highest bench position in the land (51{b70b139db3e26271be493a29e5845e472849fb9ef3854e30dd0f16ed9e15a891}, according to NY Mag: https://nym.ag/2RwLUGt, citing a CNN poll). I’m not claiming, necessarily, that CNN’s poll is reliable. It doesn’t matter. What matters is that there is very widespread opposition to his candidacy, much of it generated not by people’s belief in his innocence or lack therefore but by their objection to the manner in which both parties handled the nomination process.

It’s not a good thing when there is general discomfort with the manner in which something as important as the naming of a new Chief Justice is undertaken. It doesn’t bode well for the stability and peace of the state (and perhaps–perhaps–there is nothing more important to preserve than that).

So I thought, “What might I do in such a position?” Withdrawing, prior to a full investigation, did not constitute an acceptable option. But it’s not clear that accepting the position, given the scale of opposition to my candidacy (“my,” in my simulation of his situation). So what if the FBI cleared me, I received the nomination, but then decided that it might be best for medium- to long-term peace and the good of the country if someone who shared my views but who had not been contaminated, rightly or wrongly, by the horrors of the nomination process in question be put forward as a candidate in my stead? Objections to that might include:

  • Perhaps the Democrat opposition would mount a similar campaign against my putative successor. But that would provide virtually unassailable evidence for the purely manipulative and political motivation of the accusers, forcing them to duplicate their strategy a second time. That would help reveal the machinations for what they were, in a manner that would be virtually undeniable.
  • Perhaps time is of the essence, and there would be no way to place another candidate of conservative leaning on the bench before the November elections. As they say, however: “act in haste, repent in leisure.” It might be acceptable to wait a month and test the democratic waters: if the Republicans do well in November, then their moves to nominate the candidate of their choice have been fully and evidently vetted by the electorate. That’s not a bad medium-to-long-term strategy.
  • Perhaps it is necessary, as an act of patriotism, to sacrifice personal ambition for the broader welfare of the country.
  • Perhaps that would also enable “me” (Kavanaugh) to regain the moral upper hand, in some permanent manner: with my name cleared, enabled in at least some manner to go on with my life, I could clear the way for the next, hopefully less contentious candidate.

So those were my ideas.

Then he threatens to hold his breath until he turns blue quit Twitter because he can’t take the well-merited heat.

 I was laboring yet again under the naïve misapprehension (and should have known better at this stage in the media war) that I could offer an idea—not a certainty—for consideration on that platform. I should have known better not least because I had already discussed the dangers of Twitter, for example, with my son, who insisted over many months that if I engage in contentious issues online that I should do so with a longer blog post, and link to that with Twitter. I should have known better because Twitter appears primarily to be a forum where errors are magnified and outrage and vitriol almost certain to emerge whenever uncertainty about motive manifests itself.

I honestly don’t know what to do with Twitter. It’s a very dangerous platform, and may well be doing more harm than good. But I have something approaching a million followers. Do I owe them a certain allegiance? Should I just abandon my account, or should I try to use it properly, whatever that means? I think it would be safer for me to leave Twitter and it would almost certainly better for my mental health and ease of mind and conscience.

Jordan Peterson has NO intention of quitting Twitter. He’s a fame whore and he’s just desperately trying to get his disappointed followers to buy into the “clarification” narrative.

UPDATE: I didn’t notice this on the first read-through. Jordan Peterson is also an ignoramus.

It’s not a good thing when there is general discomfort with the manner in which something as important as the naming of a new Chief Justice is undertaken. It doesn’t bode well for the stability and peace of the state (and perhaps–perhaps–there is nothing more important to preserve than that).

The charlatan who has been contemplating this matter so very deeply apparently didn’t spare one single thought for the fact that Justice Kavanaugh was not named Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. The naming of a Chief Justice is indeed a significant government event, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the recent Kavanaugh confirmation.

That moment you realize they’re crazy

There is a story about Terence McKenna, upon being introduced at a conference by an academic who kept going on about the epic drug-taker’s amazing metaphors concerning other-dimensional elves, standing up and angrily shouting, “It’s not a metaphor! The elves are real!” At which point everyone in the audience suddenly realized that the famous techno-philosopher was not brilliant, he was not insightful, and his thinking was neither revolutionary nor creative, he was just crazy.

Owen Benjamin – by the way, you guys were right, the man is extremely funny – appears to have had a similar epiphany about the intellectual frauds known as Jordan Peterson and the rest of the New York Times-christened “Intellectual Dark Web”. From the transcript:

Brett Weinstein comes out swinging. I was saying WeinSTINE, they were saying it was WeinSTINE. They’re such fucking little weasels. When Brett was on Rogan, they said it was WeinSTINE instead of STEEN, but that was blatantly because of Harvey. Now they’re all saying WeinSTEEN. Bunch of fucking weasels. The Intellectual Douche Weasels. IDW. Intellectual Douche Weasels.

For those of you who are like, “oh, you’re turning on your own, Big Bear,” no, I’m not. I’m using criticism and social shame to try to alter someone’s behavior. I am not taking anyone’s rights or calling for anything.

Brett Weinstein says “Quite a good discussion of some IDW-” That’s Intellectual Douche Weasel. The Intellectual Dark Web, what a bunch of fags. All right, “reactions to the Kavanaugh confirmation and push-back. Warning, contains nuance. You may be triggered. If you are, avoid social media for 24 hours. Comfort and herb tea are available free of charge at a local safe space.”

These people. I can’t believe I was once rooting for them. That’s all right. See, that’s a mistake I expect you to get past with me. I made a mistake, I said you can trust a guy like Brett Weinstein to give pushback from a liberal stance and that’s how you can come up with the best- no! These people are undercutting the American republic and they can go fuck themselves. Don’t listen to a word out of their mouths.

I’m asking you to do that out of consent, by the way. I’m not forcing anyone or condemning or “taking down”. That’s so stupid. This is Charlie’s reaction, by the way, when I told him what Jordan Peterson has been up to. He hasn’t been taking it very well. You know, he looked up to him almost like a father figure and now he doesn’t even want to clean his room! He’s just throwing his toys everywhere… he’s spiralling.

By the way, you’re the one who cleans your room. It has nothing to do with Jordan Peterson. Everybody just needs a better Dad. That’s what it comes down to. The Baby Boomers sucked at being parents and so now no one knows what money is or how the government works.

What’s interesting to me about the Official Opposition’s sudden reaction to Jordan Peterson’s massive faux pas is the way they are desperately trying to reinforce his false “thought experiment” narrative.  What a great nuanced discussion! It’s just a thought experiment that demonstrates how nuanced and thoughtful ol’ Uncle Jordan is! He didn’t actually mean what he said. LOL! Don’t you know he just works out what he thinks in public? He’s been thinking about this issue for a long time, a long time, but he’s just working out what he thinks about it now in response to your reaction to his tweet, which you must understand was just a nuanced thought experiment that struck him amidst his contemplation on how best to clean someone else’s room.

No, it’s an extremely significant demonstration of how little character and integrity these weasels possess, as they join forces in order to cover up for Jordan Peterson’s mask slipping in public and revealing the real anti-American left-wing globalist face underneath. In fact, the main thing I took from all of this was the confirmation that Scott Adams is not on our side, after he rushed to accept the Crazy Christ’s “clarification”.

Think about this. Did Milo ever get this kind of protective public insulation for his public missteps? Did they ever extend the same benefit of the doubt to Kavanaugh or anything that President Trump has ever said? The Incestuous Douche Weasels know, they immediately recognized, that Peterson exposed himself badly on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, and anyone who falls for this frantic ex post facto itachi kabuki is a self-deluded fool.

It is simply ghastly to observe how many Peterson cultists continue to delude themselves about the man, even after they saw him unmask himself. They have the situation precisely backwards. Peterson didn’t take one bad position after establishing many good ones, to the contrary, he very publicly took one good position early on that is very much against the flow of his entire personal and professional perspective.

Wormtongue confirmed

Jordan Peterson is behaving the way all con men behave when they’ve gotten ahead of the con. Now he’s walking it back. And Scott Adams is helping him try to sell it and salvage his credibility:

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
I’m not certain that is the right move. It’s very complex. But he would have his name cleared, and a figure who might be less divisive might be put forward.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
That might decrease residual alienation from the left, and make things less polarized moving forward. Of course, that has to be balanced against handing any victory to the “believe all accusers” crowd.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
I was thinking all this whole trying to plot out a strategy that would be least damaging, on the whole. And I’m not jumping up and down claiming to be correct. Thought is experiment, not reality.

Scott Adams
Clarification accepted.

If you STILL buy into Jordan Peterson’s bullshit after this pathetic “never mind, I’ll just walk it back” display, you will fully deserve the disenchantment that will be your fate.

Let me be clear: Jordan Peterson is absolutely and utterly full of shit… and he always has been.

Jordan Peterson kneecaps his defenders

Peterson’s cultists really are desperate. It was a joke. He’s being sarcastic. I think he’s waxing ironic. he has to be joking. He’s drunk tweeting. I’m hoping @jordanbpeterson is drunk posting tonight. Did he really mean it?

And my favorite: It’s the scurvy talking.

But no, Crazy Christ wasn’t “being sarcastic” when he suggested that Kavanaugh step down if confirmed.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
I’m not certain that is the right move. It’s very complex. But he would have his name cleared, and a figure who might be less divisive might be put forward.

This episode has not only demonstrated that Jordan Peterson is NOT on our side, it has shown that a) his defenders are clueless cultists who simply refuse to accept the truth about him, and, b) Jordan Peterson is a complete ignoramus when it comes to American politics.

First, Supreme Court Justice-to-be Kavanaugh would not have his name cleared. Just ask Robert Bork or Richard Nixon. Second, the God-Emperor Donald Trump would not respond by putting forward someone less divisive, he would absolutely name someone he could trust not to betray him by stepping down after all the hard work was done, someone who is a fire-breather that would make Kavanaugh look like a cuddly teddy bear in comparison.

Which is to say, someone considerably MORE divisive.

I am genuinely curious to see what sort of excuse the Jordanetics cultists will provide next for their hero. Especially since he is such a shameless and transparent liar.

I have a habit of not preparing my talks until really the last minute, and I mean that’s not exactly true, because I’ve been thinking about what I’m going to talk to you about tonight for a very long time, but I, I really only got the title for this talk firmly in place about half an hour ago. And, and one of the things I like to do when I’m speaking to people is to tell them what I’m thinking about, not what I’ve already thought about, you know, and certainly not what I know, but what I’m thinking about, what I’m trying to figure out.

It’s strange, then, that he so often happens to say the same things over and over and over again. Does he never manage to figure anything out? Notice again how he advertises when he’s about to lie. Many people, me included, repeat words or even stutter, but I’ve noticed that Peterson tends to primarily do it when he’s about to say something he knows to be false.

I will admit that I found Stefan’s puzzled reaction to Peterson’s original tweet to be mildly amusing. Surely there must be some kind of context in which the Crazy Christ didn’t actually mean what he quite clearly wrote!

I find this bafflingly incomprehensible. Appease disproven accusers? Can anyone help me with context?

Vox told you, Stefan. You just didn’t listen.

Context: Peterson is a fraud, exposed by Vox Day months ago

Context: he is an intellectual fraud.

Just to be clear, I have no problem whatsoever with Stefan. He owes me nothing and we get along fine. He’s neither the first nor last intelligent individual to be taken in by Peterson’s bafflegarble. As far as I can tell, Milo is about the only one to have seen through Peterson as quickly as I did, even though he was considerably more polite about it. Although it would appear Mike Cernovich has now too:

Professor Peterson: Have you resigned your position in an effort to appease the hate mob that targeted you? That would clear your name, yes?